Actions against Banking Privacy Violation(Misuse of ICICI bank a/c salary statement)

Hi Aakash,

In doing all this , if the other party is pressurised to compromise with you(out of fear) thats enough for you. The Authorities may or may not take action, but if the opposite party perceives fear, thats what you want, and thats what will help u.

Its not whether there will be real action taken against them, its what they perceive, so play with fear factor- the ones who err will have worst fears, so do whats suitable to you. A similar post is here: http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2006/08/post-498a-scenario-when-passport-is.html

This is a mental tug of war, the moment the other party weakens u have to pull them in. This is the way these wars are won - in the Mind!.

regards

Gokul
--- Rahul wrote:
>
> hi aakash,
>
> to the best of my knowledge, its best just to ignore this and concentrate ur energy on other things.
>
> personally i think privacy laws in india are just a hoax and it shall be difficult to find competent lawyers etc to take this matter to its justified end.
>
> none of the people i know had much luck with such cases
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Gokul.P.R
To: aakash
Cc: SIF-Mynation ; SIF
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Misuse of ICICI bank a/c salary statement


Hi Aakash,

The same thing happened in Guptajis case and he has done a lot of counter measures including complaining in Cyber Cell(for which the police had contacted & taken his statement), presented this gross misuse in our last press conference in Mumbai, faxed the details as a separate press release to media houses, etc. Where are you located?.

I am marking a copy of this mail to Guptaji(he may prefer only email communication since he is busy in exam preparations, so I am not giving you his phone numbers for now) so that u both can join and plan out something in this regard.

See my inputs in CAPS between your queries below.

Warm Regards,

Gokul, http://gokul.go.to, 9821414336(Mumbai)
Editor - www.siftimes.com , Director- www.pifngo.info
Protect Indian Family: "For Family Harmony.. Against Legal Terrorism"
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Misuse of ICICI bank a/c salary statement
Posted by: "aakash"
Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:25 pm (PDT)
> Hi All,
>
> In S125 maintenance case , my wife has submitted my
> salary a/c quarterly bank statement to show my
> salary in court.As the Bank is ICICI and is a
Centralised Bank , so my FIL through his contacts( in
Bilaspur)has managed to get this bank statement
through
> unofficial means which i believe is a crime.
>
> Now i have following queries
> ============ ========= =========
> 1) Can i file a case/complaint against my FIL/wife
> for getting the bank statement unofficially without
any application and my permission etc. I believe bank
> details n statements are private security issue.



CYBER CELL COMPLAINT AGAINST VIOLATION OF PRIVACY(BANKING CUSTOMER, IN FACT THERE IS A BANKING RULE WHICH PROTECT THIS PRIVACY). SEPARATE CRIMINAL CASE IN COURT FOR THIS COULD BE THOUGHT TOO UNDER BANKING LAWS OR APPROPRIATE IPC SECTIONS(CONSULT UR LAWYER)
>
> 2) How to take this matter with ICICI bank.Are not
> they responsible for securing the data of
> individuals?

YES THEY ARE WRONG IN GIVING OUT UNAUTHORISED CUSTOMER INFORMATION BOUND BY BANKING RULES. COMPLAIN TO AUTHORITIES OF ICICI(WITH COPIES TO MEDIA, RESERVE BANK, ETC.), WITH A CERTIFIED COPY OF THE STATEMENT WHICH WAS PRODUCED BY THE OPPOSITE PARTY IN THE COURT(THIS IS IMPORTANT)

T
>
> 3) Can i ask bank to take action against my FIL/wife
> and question them on how they got this statement.Is
> there any legal law to bind them and act and then
> punish.
THE BANK CAN ONLY FIND OUT THE EMPLOYEE OR COMPUTER OUT OF WHICH THIS STATEMENT WAS TAKEN(I HOPE THAT THERE WOULD BE LOG DETAILS TO FIND OUT, THOUGH THERE IS ANOTHER VIEW THAT ITS NOT POSSIBLE), ONCE THE ERRANT EMPLOYEE IS FOUND, HE CAN BE MADE TO SPILL THE BEANS BY THE POLICE(CYBER CELL), HENCE FIL/WIFE COULD BE TARGETTED.

> 4) Can i use RTI for this?. how to go about it and
> escalate this issue in my favor.
IF THE POLICE OR BANK DOES NOT ACT, RTI CAN HELP(PUT ONE AFTER 15 DAYS OF COMPLAINT TO BOTH PLACES, IT COSTS ONLY Rs.10)
>
> 5) infact i didn't lie to the court wrt to my salary
in S125 case.
> But would like to use this fact that my FIL/wife has
taken the unofficial information from the bank in my
favour.
> Is it Possible ..if Yes then how?

YES YOU CAN GET THEM IN TROUBLE, AND THE ABOVE METHODS ARE THE WAY TO DO THAT
>
> Any other pointer or suggestion are welcome.
>
> Thanks and regards
> Aakash

Evidence–A Life Saver:Digital Voice-Recorders

Tech – Talk

Technical Section

Let me ask you a question : When a case is filed (or expected to be filed) against you and "Unless Proved Innocent You Are Guilt" theory works, how can you prove yourself innocent ?

You need Evidences. There are two types of evidences (1) Concrete Evidence (which can independently decide the case) e.g. a clear video recording and (2) Supporting Evidence (which independently cannot decide the case but when joined with circumstances and other evidences/events, it is usefull to decide the case).

Next is, to get these life saver evidences we need technology. I mean to say electronics and Information Technology. If used correctly, can prove yourself innocent and also can get vital information (from the other party).

Digital Voice Recorders : What someone spoke cannot be judged from the pictures but voice recorders can do it for you. Voice recorders are of two types Analog and Digital. Analog recorders (with cassettes and magnetic tapes) are not a good choice now a days. Digital recorder are perfect as of today. They are very small sized, full of features, well capable and compact. One can easily get a reasonably featured digital recorder for around 3500/- or so. I have a digital voice recorder which can record upto 34 (Thirty Four) hours of conversation. It works in person to person, telephonic, hidden recorder mode, remote mic mode and much more. It can transfer the data to computer and to a CD in turn. It works superb as a Telephone Recorder. You connect it to the phone line (hide it) and it works for around 18 hours at a stretch (battery life). No beep is issued to the other party. It can used almost everywhere Home, Phone, In Car, In Office, In Meetings and absolutely every place which you could think of.

An important feature of the Digital Recorders is “Voice Activated Mode” means if this mode is activated, the digital recorder will Keep Recording as long as voice is there and If no voice for a few seconds then the recorder goes to standby mode and when the next sound comes in It again starts recording it. The advantage is we get removed the “silence” portion of recordings (saves memory and we get long battery backup). Voice recorded files from digital recorders can be transferred to computer and CD and the same CDs could be produced in court as evidences.
Files recorded by Digital recorders can be played on the house hold CD players.

Tip : Use rechargeable batteries in Digital Recorders. Mine uses AAA size eveready 2 cells rechargeable and single pair of batteries can drive the device for around 16 hours.

CENIX, Olympus, Samsung, LG, Sansui and almost all electronics manufacturers manufacture Digital Voice Recorders

Some of the useful links are

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_voicerecorders.asp

http://electronics.listings.ebay.in/Electronic-Gadgets_Voice-Recorders_W0QQsacatZ14960QQsocmdZListingItemList

http://www.tcc-qatar.com/DVR.htm

http://search.ebay.in/digital-voice-recorder_Voice-Recorders_W0QQsacatZ14960

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Cenix+%22Digital+Voice+Recorder%22&meta=


Own Mobile Call Recordings : You can ask you mobile dealer to workshop guy to install a call recording software in your handset so that it keep recordings of the calls. You can put the whole thing on a computer and on a CD in turn. Most of these softwares issue a beep sound to the other party so that the caller comes to know that your call is being recorded.


by Sachit Dalal- SIF Activist

Arrive with guns blazing-Counters, Quash, Dismissal(at Police, At court(before or after Chargesheet))

Subject: Counters, Quash, Dismissal(at Police, At court(before or after Chargesheet))

Hi All,

Option 1- Before chargesheet; You can give evidence to Police and ask for a report of dismissal(Type A report - no evidence to make a case of 498a, or Type B report- stating that the Allegations are false!, both of which happens only in rarest of rare cases(zero probability almost) , because police are shit scared of women org, women and generally won't burn their hands in these matters).

Next option 2->Before chargesheet is given by police to the court-Quash it at the same court(don't know the section of Cr.PC for this), or High court/Sessions(Cr.PC 482), showing major fractures in allegations which do not need trials, and are self-evident.

Next Option 3->Apply for dismissal after chargesheet is submitted to the court(Cr.PC 239(see the bottom of this post for explanation), Guptaji will elucidate about this beautifully :). The only motivation for waiting till chargesheet to get submitted in the court, is that after this the police cannot make the charges more deadlier against you(fudging it with more unfavourable charges), and since usually police can be bought by the other party and could be made to add more charges and unfavourable stuff in the chargesheet, if they decide to counter your attempts of Options1 & 2.

Counter cases can be filed at any time(though waiting till chargesheet is submitted to the court is advantageous in some ways). Though Advocates rarely recommend it or agree that this is even a possibility before a "verdict" on the 498a case is declared in full(possibly by Supreme court, if the other party decides to appeal until the Top court!). See this post for IPC sections which could be used in your counter cases, considering the facts of your specific case.

This is 'could' be just because 1) they do not want 'their' cases to end that "easily" and hence lose the opportunity to feed on your insecurities(with all respect to the good advocates here, if u feel that my observations are not constructive or right, please do correct me for the general good). 2) Another reason why advocates do not take initiatives for counter cases is because some of them are truly 'incapable' and ignorant about these matters in their rat race of "setting" and "greasing" kind of lowly ways of "practice" and their intellectually-bankrupt-to-the-core schools of thought!. 3) Another reason why lawyers do not seem to do any thing which can give you sure and swift results is that everyone is hand in glove with every other advocate, so they won't demolish the case of their loving counterparts who could be lawyer pals of the same court(you scratch my back, I scratch urs!- fraternity and emotional bonding issues!!!).

I am making it clear that I am not talking about good advocates of caliber and integrity, who if appointed will do wonders for your case- but I am yet to meet such an advocate in my sojourn of 4+ years in these torrid rapids.

Warm Regards,

Gokul - http://gokul.go.to, 9821414336(Mumbai)

PS: Cr.PC 239: When accused shall be discharged.- If, upon considering the police report and the documents sent with it under section 173 and making such examination, if any, of the accused as the Magistrate thinks necessary and after giving the prosecution and the accused an opportunity of being heard, the Magistrate considers the charge against the accused to be groundless, he shall discharge the accused, and record his reasons for so doing.

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need guidance Posted by: "yangaldaspk" Thu May 10, 2007 11:39 am (PST)
hi
i am 498a-ed. i got AB for my parents and sister and self. have proof that case is false. should i file 182 ipc or wait till chargesheet is failed.it is clear case of misuse of laws, and waste of time for police and courts.how can i proceed from here. can i file counter cases.

Bibles 4 SIFians, Be a Playa.... Baazigar O'Baazigar

Hi All,

I agree to Myidbnt for 90% of the time!(there are risks of backfire if you get your wife fired by counter cases/actions against her), but if you are what they call a "PLAYA"(Khiladi) ‘propah’, u could doctor the spin yet again against the same wife who lost her job.

You just have to impress upon the court that the company fired her ONLY after they were convinced that she misused the law and hence is facing a counter case from you. So now you not only can defend your maintenance or any other possible backlash, but also use this flip-flop show yet against your wife by telling the court in appropriate words.... “if the company is convinced, why are you not”, at least cite the fact that you could get the company convinced of her wrong doings and get a favourable hearing from the courts(u should, if possible, mask/downplay the fact, if it is so, that the company fired her only because of the company's HR policy on employees with criminal proceedings against them)

Tables can surely be turned, but it needs a PLAYA, an International Khiladi in thought and actions(ab seedhey hoke kuch faida toh nahin hein, better bend it like Beckham and enjoy doing so). Try karo 100 mein se 10 aap bhi playa ban sakta hein. Even if there is 90% chance that your ploys backfire, Indian system is full of loop holes , USE IT, PLAY IT.

But like all good Players(superlative slang of which is 'Playa' ), you should be ready to lose the game, only to win it back at Sundown.

Haar ke jeethney walon ko........ yes Baazigar kahthey hien.

Dont just be afraid, u are in the 'No-risk' zone, if u assess and understand your risk perceptions appropriately. Don’t be shy to be a PLAYA or a Baazigar. Reminding you all once again, if u "will" enough, there would be a way enough.
The key is playing to the gallery, with the Loop holes, whatever may be your personal situation.

For more details of how to play, read criminal manual(and Family and Divorce laws if thats ur pain area), URSELVES , and make it your bible along with other books mentioned below as appropriate to ur case, details as below.

I : http://www.unilawbooks.com/search.asp?Page=2&subj=Transfer (2nd page , no.18th item)

Criminal Manual (Pkt. Size) by Universal ( Pages - 631, Hardbound, Year - 2006 ) Price : Rs 195.00 Description : General Contents: Effective Date Natifications. New Amendments at a Glance. The Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2005 (2 of 2006) The Code of Criminal Procedure (Amendment) Act, 2005 (25 of 2005) as amended by Act 25 of 2006. Consolidated Table of Cases. The Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973:- as amended by The Code of Criminal Procedure (Amendment Act, 2005 (25 of 2005) and The Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2 of 2006). The Indian Evidence Act, 1872: as amended by The Criminal Law (Amendment) Act, 2005 (2 of 2006). Consolidated Subject Index. http://www.unilawbooks.com/search.asp?Page=2&subj=Transfer (2nd page , no.18th item)This version(pocket size) of criminal manual is from Universal Law Publishing co. Rs.195(It contains Cr.PC, IPC and Indian evidence act).

II: https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no42204.htm

Commentary on the Hindu Marriage Act, 1955 : Incorporating All the Amendments in the Act, Rules from the Commencement of the Act with Latest Case Law and Extracts from Hindu Adoptions and Maintenance Act, 1956/Sukh Dev Aggarwal. Delhi, The Bright Law House, 2005, viii, 720 p., $35. Details No. 42204

Contents: I. Preliminary: 1. Short title and extent. 2. Application of act. 3. Definitions. 4. Overriding effect of act. II. Hindu marriages: 5. Condition for Hindu marriage. 6. [Repealed]. 7. Ceremonies for a Hindu marriage. 8. Registration of Hindu marriage. III. Restitution of conjugal rights and judicial separation: 9. Restitution of conjugal rights. 10. Judicial separation. IV. Nullity of marriage and divorce: 11. Void marriages. 12. Voidable marriages. 13. Divorce. 13A. Alternate relief in divorce proceedings. 13B. Divorce by mutual consent. 14. No petition for divorce to be presented within one year of marriage. 15. Divorced persons when may marry again. 16. Legitimacy of children of void and voidable marriages. 17. Punishment of bigamy. 18. Punishment for contravention of certain other conditions for Hindu marriage. V. Jurisdiction and procedure: 19. Court to which petition shall be presented. 20. Contents and verification of petitions. 21. Application of act V of 1908. 21A. Power to transfer petitions in certain cases. 21B. Special provision relating to trial and disposal of petitioners under the act. 21C. Documentary evidence. 22. Proceedings to be in camera and may not be printed or published. 23. Decree in proceedings. 23A. Relief for respondent in divorce and other proceedings. 24. Maintenance pendent lite and expenses of proceedings. 25. Permanent alimony and maintenance. 26. Custody of children. 27. Disposal of property. 28. Appeals from decrees and orders. 28A. Enforcement of decrees and orders. VI. Savings and repeals: 29. Savings. 30. [Repeals]. Appendices: 1. The Hindu Adoptions and Maintenance Act, 1956. 2. Rules of High Court. 3. Registration of marriage rules.

III: and may be: https://www.vedamsbooks.com/no10198.htm#.

Nullity of Marriage Under Hindu Law/Manjit Singh Nijjar. 1994, xvi, 227 p., $17.
Contents: Preface. 1. Marriage and matrimonial reliefs under The Hindu Marriage Act, 1955. 2. Bigamy. 3. Prohibited degree relationship. 4. Sapinda relationship. 5. Impotency. 6. Mental incapacity. 7. Consent to marriage obtained by force and fraud. 8. Pre-marriage pregnancy. 9. Forum of petition, effect of decree and post-decree consequental relief. Appendices. List of cases. Bibliography. Index.
"This book thoroughly examines the provisions relating to the nullity of marriage under section 11 and 12 of the Hindu Marriage Act and makes indepth study of the juridical approach to the said provisions. The book also highlights the shortcomings and infirmities so as to make the substantive provisions and administration of these provisions leakproof and lucid. A critical approach been has undertaken to make the book useful and complete from all aspects."
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Keep these books at least under ur pillow, and it will serve u that much better!.
Better.....Buy books like these for ur groups/libraries, if people know of better/additional references, pour them in too.

USE THEM, PLAY BY THEM.... and be the PLAYA.......

Regards,

Gokul
9821414336(Bombay), http://gokul.go.to

PS: Also blogged at the Book of Knowledge Blog: http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2007/04/bibles-4-sifians-be-playa-baazigar.html

Preparing to Defend your legal problems

Understand the false case against you is just another problem, which can and need to be solved

Analyse the FIR and their statements for contradictions within(statements and written statements at different times may have contradictions, example incidents, weights, numbers etc.).

Pick up allegations against which you have evidence on the contrary, and put a petition to Police station and DCP in-charge asking them to investigate on these lines and to submit final report accordingly.

The Police can bring out three types of Final Reports(in which case the complaint will not be prosecuted in the Court, since the allegations are not maintainable at a court of law) as follows 1) Type A Final-Evidence of Allegations is not enough to be tried in the court 2) Type B final- Allegations are false, hence need not be tried in court 3) Investigation on the Allegations are inconclusive, so need not/cannot be tried in the court. Though these are technically possible, the police does not bother to neither take the responsibility of investigating not defending such conclusions by them!. But it is your right to get a proper report on the above lines and avoid court trials/litigation.

For the court to try/prosecute you, the police should be submitting a "Charge-Sheet, usually even in this case the police seldom come out with any inference of their own, they just compile all allegations and statements from the complainant and all the counters and statements from the accused and avoid taking any responsibility.

If you suspect any bias in the authorities against you, send petitions to higher authorities, while keeping the erring personnel a copy of your petitions so that its acts as a pressure to act in accordance to justice. See a related post here: http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2006/08/post-498a-scenario-when-passport-is.html .

To come up with specific ways to counter your specific problems, first you have to think with a problem-solving attitude, and not panic or be despondent. You know the ways to get out, only if you think calmly. All the best.

"IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING" Don't let your life stall on anything

What swarup says is right brother shetty, u can have children (like rabbits if u will) , stay together, name them after you and the law will have to just allow u to do so(the lady u decide to live with, just have to stress with anyone that u guys didn't at all have a marriage, and all those rabbits are love-children and that she wished that they carried their biological father's name and surname- who on earth is gonna deny this right of a lover!?).

You just need conviction in your decision, as theres no legal problems.. see this post: http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2008/04/legal-position-of-bigamy-adultery-vs.html (also see two reports about a similar situation of actor Pawan Kalyan).

Bigamy(IPC 494: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/IndianPenalCode/S494.htm) is only if someone can prove that u r married(example: if you are a hindu; as per Hindu Marriage Act)- so don't marry... so no proof of marriage possible....simple, keep/take no photos of any ceremony distantly similar to marriage, or create any marriage record. Just live with ur friend for life, theres a word "companion" gaining respectability in even Indian cities, anyway if u don't care a damn about society, all this is no bodies business. But be wary of IPC 493, which says that if u induce a belief of marriage in a lady, when u are only cohabiting, thats chargeable with IPC 493(http://www.indialawinfo.com/bareacts/ipc.html#_Toc496765386 ,10 years max boss, so be very sure about ur companion!, else its back to battle again, but thats no big deal for u all now, right?;)

As far as Adultery(IPC497: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/IndianPenalCode/S497.htm ) goes: Only a husband can sue a suitor of his wife, if this suitor knows that this lady is married and has no expressed consent of the husband to get close to his wife!- so its funny, its saying wife can't get a husband punsished for adultery(only husband can frame his wife's suitor. not even his wife!), plus this law actually points towards threesomes!!!. So give a F&$K to the law and in-laws and get ahead if it suits you.

Basically it all boils down to your conviction and how afraid u are of society- which never helped or shielded you from harms way when you really needed that(in case u r not convinced that much about ur decision to go ahead and live with ur companion). So y give a damn about the so-called society, show them ur middle finger and walk tall and straight ahead where u wanna go.
Why I explained this in detail is that after 2-3 years most of the elders in the family are worried silly about getting boys(or girls for that matter, but we don't have to empathise with those law misusers, right?) married(to see their grand children play before the end of their days, as the popular concept in India goes). So its important to pacify those worried parents and senior citizens and show courage by taking you life into ur hands, and either decide 1) not to marry(just ensure that u are sufficiently amused and live an interesting life however it suits you- but yes, take care and use protection), 2) not rush to marry, or 3) if u find someone and are fairly confident that shes not the garden-variety-498a-girl(u can't be 1000% sure anyway, but these are the risks u have to assess and own-up) just start ur life dont wait for god to really appear before you- just understand that he has provided with just enough loop holes for u to survive and have a fulfilling life.

So the message is that live the life you want to, don't ever be limited by any restrictions either imagined/imposed by self or projected on to you by others- believe in the infinititude of human mind.... where theres a will, theres a way... period. Come on legal hassles are not Greek and Latin to u guys now, u can in fact be consultants in 498a issues, so do what u wanna do, "IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING"(quoting a sports company's catch phrase).

BTW, if someone wants the exact ways and means to proceed as above, I have a "template"(like the advocates have the false 498a complaint template) which can be shared in Private(but guys someone tell me how to create a password protected folder or page in the web, else I will be most probably spending all my time replying to your queries in this regard, so please tell how to password protect a webpage or folder- A word file should work, but any more intelligent solutions, so that it won't be misused much(not worried about this much, since I have stopped fretting about being morally correct and stuff like that) and that I don't get into another soup!... not that I mind it , but for now, I would like to devote 100% of my time to send the misusers packing to where they deserve to be).

I know this realisation would be a great relief and reason for reformation to many. Swarup is one walking talking example of such a guy, and he is not alone , that population is increasing(thanks to the law, we are being made stronger and invincible). I will leave you with a thought provoking and pragmatic quote "The supreme act of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting!" . So live anyway, but fight only if warranted.

Also read this post:

Legal Position of Bigamy-Adultery Vs 498a Situation: Further explained

How we can build content- Structure of Contents

The initial development of the BOK will be a bit tricky, but lets not give up on it anytime. Initially we just have to copy paste various advice our SIF members give in the main group(advices given in the past can be copied from the message archives), which we find good/effective, under clear and unambiguous Title names(which describes the situation in question, in a few words). So that we can make the same Titles listed as the various entries of the index page too(contents page).

The Index/Contents page should be just like a hyperlinked(which if clicked leads u to the details of a particular 498a situation & the corresponding advice/links/judgements to solve that 498a situation) contents page at the beginning of an book or e-book), ok. We have to build the broad skeleton before others troop in, so that there no confusion about how to go about and start adding stuff.

I plan to write sections for "FAQ", "Whats the long term expectations of this system"(so that all can plan for future requirements, like databasing requirements, storage of news, articles which are linked from the advices, etc.), and "How to Gather/Build content"
For now we need to post some blank topics(just with the 498a Scenario description as the Title of post) at BOK blog and link all them to an Index/Contents page, so that people can later fill in appropriate matter and link them to external references(news, citations, articles, blogs at other sites, etc.), else it may start becoming confusing. I am going to put in some of the blank topic posts soon to give u an idea, u too can add on.

Hope u got the broad idea.

Adding content can be as easy as copy pasting 'wisdom' already stored in the messages section of SIF group, and pasting whichever advice you find as effective in the days to come.

You yourselves must have advised so many victims with various different 498a scenarios, so u would be the best person to copy-paste those advices and any new advice you give, on to the BOK.

All the best.

Post-498a Scenario: When passport is feared of being seized, and person anticipates detention for an unreasonable time

If the husband(or the victim family) is working abroad, and is facing a high profile opponent who is legally terrorising them, with the girl's side having a lot of political or other influence, and has a lot of clout in the system. The bail may be opposed strongly, or after bail they may have to attend police station at frequent interwels or at the will of the police- this itself is a worry- but an application to relax the bail conditions could be the remedy).


The main problems are whether the bail would be denied or whether the passport will be impounded/seized and they will be kept remanded for an unreasonable time(there by affecting ones job) with influence and money power.

See how Mr.Rao had got the passport released from HC andhra(see details in message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/message/19156 ). One could also try emailing Mr.Rao email: rao257 (at) yahoo.com.

But in these kind of cases the real trouble is with the influence and power of the girls side, and to nuetralise the potency of the girl's side influence, one has try and submit petitions(to Authorities right from PM, President to MP,MLA, political party local presidents & other important office holders, similarly with the police authorities from IG to SHO(Station's Senior inspector, clearly mention the police station and Court where ur case is going on in your petitions)) mentioning the boys apprehensions of being detained for an unreasonable time in india with his passport also not being given back, there by affecting/losing his job abroad, etc. etc.

The effect of this kind of petition is not because all those higher officials and authorities care a damn, but that the Station Senior inspector, other police officers involved in the case and DCP of the zone, and the Magistrate(put a copy to the magistrate too, ask your advocate about this) will think twice about yielding to the influence of the girl's side.

But one may have reservations about this strategy, since both the families could have a lot of common friends and 'biradri' folks between them- but what better to do , in this case(or for that matter any other), other than to fight out fully.

This is exactly the same strategy which saved many victims(this was actually advised by a high ranking police officer, so do understand that this is a time-tested and sure-fire strategy)- as this has worked out in the boys favour in cases where the girls side were putting a lot of pressure right from delhi to the local congress committee, etc.- but they are all free and hitting back at the girls side now

The son can avoid coming to India and just be where he is, but the parents Passports also could be seized, and hence they cant visit their son + this 498a case will never be closed until the son comes and faces the legal procedures. Better fight now, sooner or later u will have to either do it or submit to the oppression- this is our frank opinion.

Some references, coutsey to the respective sources(not plaigerism, just info dissemination)

1) http://ipc498a.wordpress.com/2007/04/12/sc-judgment-maneka-gandhi-vs-union-of-india-1978/ ->

SC Judgment: Maneka Gandhi Vs Union Of India (1978)Published April 12th, 2007 :

This will be useful to those of you hounded by a Red Corner Alert or threats of Passport impoundment.
The SC intrepreted this as a case for due process. The article from the Hindu is given below:

http://judis.nic.in/supremecourt/qrydisp.asp?tfnm=5154

The SC kept the passport, but she was given a hearing.
A warning! It is a 144 page judgment.

Introduction to the 498a BOK

As we had discussed some time back(at the 498a.org forum: http://498a.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33 ) we should start developing a system which consolidates all the 'wisdom' our members have individually, about dealing with various kinds of 498a situations.

For this we need to work like "Wikipedia"............. (Wikipedia is an encyclopedia written collaboratively by many of its readers. It uses a special type of website, called a wiki, that makes collaboration easy. Lots of people are constantly improving Wikipedia, making thousands of changes an hour, all of which are recorded on article histories and recent changes. Inappropriate changes are usually removed quickly, and repeat offenders can be blocked from editing.)

Since we don't have the same kind of facilities/resources like wiki, we have to make do with the same style working principle, but through a blog(http://bok498a.blogspot.com/ ) where we can invite contributing members. And all these members can be made Admins(or moderators) of this blog, so that they can edit the earlier posts and create more and more exhaustive, incisive and targeted solution contents- which can be suitable for every kind of 498a situation.

For example I am posting the solution I wrote to Mr.Sukumalchandra(as in the mail below) to the blog, with the subject title as "Post 498a: When passport is feared of being seized, and person anticipates detention for an unreasonable time". After I post this, an email will be sent to all the members(we will make a yahoo group of whoever wants to be member, or can use one of the dormant groups like sif1@yahoogroups.com for this purpose), and members(who are also Admins) can add on to the content, introduce links to judgment, articles, etc. or edit it for correctness, so on and so forth..

We can make an index/content page of all posts to this blog which contan links and cross links(as explained in http://498a.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33 ), and put this index/content page in a prominent place on the blog, so that we can navigate to the appropriate section of the 498a situation we are trying to address(either to give advice to new members or to research for our own purpose).

So this email is going to be the first introductive post at http://bok498a.blogspot.com/ , see you there. I will be inviting you all soon to become members+Admins. We will announce this to the more people once we get a hang of this system and adopt some procedures to make it efficient as we keeping working on it.

Our advices and our own researches for 498a solutions can be giving a cutting edge this way, do contribute to this BOK building at your convenience. Lets make this a success. Don't you feel the enormous potential of this BOK system, already?

Once you are an Admin cum member you can edit/append an existing post and of course create a new post, etc. Read more on building content and in what structure/format : http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2006/08/how-we-can-build-content-structure-of.html

One easy thing for you to build the content is to include all your advices to victims(which anyway u all are painstakingly doing) in appropriate manner(with links to the index( have not made a separate index yet, but its just 2 post now), so all the 2-3 posts will be displayed in the main page anyway, for all to see).

regards
Gokul

PS:mail me at drmura@hotmail.com or Vinayak at e_vinayak@yahoo.com , if you are not made an Admin yet, or for any other queries, suggestions, etc- you can also post comments for all the members to see. SO experiment all the features of this blog. This is our Blog... our BOK Missile against the misusers.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gocool
To: Satya Kumar ; (Ca)vinayak ; (ca) Sanil ; santhakka@yahoo.com ; rao257@yahoo.com
Cc: sukumalchandra@yahoo.co.in
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: Please advice & refer this member to someone working abroad, who has gone thro' Passport Impounding+Bail
Hi All,

This SIF member( sukumalchandra@yahoo.co.in sukumalchandra (at) yahoo.co.in ) is working abroad, his parents are in delhi facing a high profile case in Andhra(the
delhi to the local congress committee- but we are all free and hitting back now
............ snipped..........

Do give ur tips, to this family in distress. Their son can avoid coming to India and just be where he is, but since the parents PPs also are seized they cant visit their son + this case will never be closed until the son comes and faces the legal procedures. Better fight now, sooner or later u will have to either do it or submit to the oppression- this is my frank opinion.