Counter cases after winning the original false case against you(498a, etc)

(this post was originally a reply to a SIFian who posted his win in the false 498a case against him, in the SIF yahoogroup, and wanted to know how to about filing counter cases and when, etc.,.)

Dear Cruise and all,

Where did your case get "dismissed" under what Cr.PC section(s)(discharge@lowercourt-239Cr.PC, quash@highcourt-482 or aquittal(which court)-on wat grounds on benefit of doubt, lack of proof or complaint/FIR found to be false). All these factors will decide ur next strategy. Read ur judgement thoroughly, write in here. 

If its an acquittal(as I think it is) at lower court, the appeal period is 30(or 60 days, just check the books/lawyers), if its a high court order the appeal period is more(90 days I think). You can file counter cases like defamation/malicious procecution/IPC211/189 and other sections etc which are in my blog post u r reffering to, immediately after the appeal period(starting from written order got in hand, to be safe).

Now if getting a divorce is ur priority it would be better that u appeal for divorce in cruelty grounds(citing the 498a judgement) and you could get a fast divorce(say 2-3 sittings, may be u can waive of the 6 months mandatory cooling period, since there's nothing to cool down, even though recently SC has insisted that this 6 months be strictly adhered to(for what, especially in this case)). You can file for divorce right now. 

After u get a divorce, but before the "period of limitation"(and 2nd marriage, if u r planning, since that's an energy-sink for sure, u may not even have time to remember ur name sometimes!) you can file the counter cases.

"Period of limitation(PoL)"(though delays beyond PoL may be condoned, don't depend on this) varies with respect to the respective counter case sections u r planning(and have grounds for it. ie a clean judgement in which complaint is termed as false directly or indirectly), for eg. If you are planning for defamation(criminal) ie. IPC 499, the period of limitation is 2 years(since the maximum punishment for defamation is 2 years: IPC 500. Punishment for defamation.-- Whoever defames another shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years, or with fine, or with both.) .

Refer http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2008/07/counter-cases-during-and-after-case.html for details on counter cases.

Make a strategy, and then fire at will, don't leave without guns blazing, turn all over rage, past and present, into energy to run and win the counters(justice-counters is what I call them), this is not just for you, this is for cleaning the pond we are living in, so do well, and do it right!.

PS: Almost all scenarios of a war against 498a/ 'Legal Terrorism' journey is addressed here: http://bit.ly/faqsif , the rest we have 1000s of web resources by SIFians themselves by now(blogs/sites/forums/articles/mail-archives), get knowledgeable yourselves, don't depend on even your father, let alone your bloody lawyer.... aim to win, and leave the rest to destiny. 

PPS: In all this don't forget to enjoy life, with all your rage and frustration converted into a rightful crusade, you will be in a position to enjoy life to the fullest while being a staunch crusader... a truth-warrior.

VARIOUS MODES TO CRACK 498A & RELATED CASES

VARIOUS MODES TO CRACK 498A & RELATED CASES:
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METHOD 1. FOLLOWING THE TRIAL & PROVING INNOCENCE.

Advantages:
1. Text book method following judicial system to get the formal acquittal order.
2. Post acquittal, we can file perjury U/s 340, malicious prosecution & defamation suit, which will destroy the 498a family completely.
3. Scope for financial compensation thru defamation suit.

Disadvantages:
1.Time consuming; have to be patient with great Indian Judiciary's efficiency.
2.Will take anything between 2 7 Yrs.
3.Need to cope up half baked lawyers from both the sides.

METHOD 2. FILING COUNTER-CASES AGAINST 498a FAMILY.

Advantages:
1. By giving the same medicine to the opponents, 498a case may get over in short time.(DP3, Threatening, Cheating, 406 etc)
2. Indirect pressure can be created to the opponents, so that they will not not time to harass you more.

Disadvantages:
1.Very delicate in nature. Needs to do lot of home work & legal analysis, before retaliating with counter-cases.
2.Very Costly affair & time consuming.
3.Counter-cases may back fire, if not launched properly.
4.Some counter-cases may be of cooked nature, which will be a "misuse of law" & against our SIFF policies.
5. Has to deal with lawyers & will be another headache.

METHOD 3. COMPLAINING TO HIGHER AUTHORITIES:

Advantages:
1.Taking the case details based on merit,to higher authorities & Officers such as Human rights, DGP, Collector, Commissioner, Home Secretary, Income Tax Dept. etc, will solve the case in shorter time.
2.Cheaper mode & may close the cases in shorter time duration.(1- 6 Months)
3.Can handle without much legal aid & lawyers.
4. All the cases shall be closed in ONE GO. (498a, Divorce, Maintenance, DV etc)

Disadvantages:
1.This mode will be applicable based on 498a family & opponents profile & background.
2.Complaints have to be placed immediately after the threats & cases.
3.Government machinery may not work with expected efficiency, which may delay the process.

4. USING RTI APPLICATIONS:

Advantages:
1.Cheapest mode & consumes relatively lesser time to close the case.(4 12 Months)
2.We can screw the 498a family royally, with this "Legal Cruelty" tool.
3.May cause irretrievable damage to the opponents, apart from closure of 498a case & other related cases.
4.Can handle without legal aid & lawyers.
5.No limit & can fire numerous RTIs based on the opponents' profile.
6. Can be used against POLICE & JUDICIAL SYSTEM to create indirect pressure by exposing their law violations & atrocities.

Disadvantages:
1.498a family members or witnesses, needs to be government jobs & related activities.
2.Needs to cope up with time delay for RTI replies from govt. departments & information commission response for appeals.
3.Government machinery may not work with expected efficiency.
4.Very indirect method of attacking the opponents.
5. Needs lot of brainstorming before drafting RTI queries, to hit the Bulls' Eye.

Courtesy: RKV, SIFM-Chennai

RTI Template for obtaining information from private companies

THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT 2005 APPLICATION

Date: 26 May 2009

 

To

Public Information Officer,

Address line 1

Address line 2

City, State.

 

1. Name of the Applicant: Mr.xxxxxxxxx

 

2. Address with Phone Number:

Address line 1

Address line 2

City, State.

Phone Number: xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

3. Particulars of the Information Required:

     Please provide information as per below list related to M/s.XXXX Ltd, (BSE Code: XXXX, Company CIN : AXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX) having registered office at ADDRESS by obtaining information from the said entity under Section 2 [f] of RTI Act 2005, which is reproduced here under for your kind reference:

 

Section 2 [f] ”information" means any material in any form, including records, documents, memos, e-mails, opinions, advices, press releases, circulars, orders, logbooks, contracts, reports, papers, samples, models, data material held in any electronic form and information relating to any private body which can be accessed by a public authority under any other law for the time being in force;

 

Please provide the following details of XXXXXX S/o YYYYY, who is working as DESIGNATION in DEPARTMENT of XXXXX Ltd, ADDRESS and residing at ADDRESS, with relevant documents copy.

1.      Date of joining on the services with XXXX Ltd.

2.      Pay scale details with break up.

3.      Details of promotion and departmental enquires on him, if any

4.      Details of his official visits to Chennai from Aug 2005 to Mar 2009, with dates and purpose of the visit.

5.      Total amount paid to him as travel expenses, boarding expenses and Incidental expenses during the period from Aug 2005 to Mar 2009.

6.      Number of leaves he had taken during the period from Aug 2005 to Mar 2009, with dates.

4. Details of payment of application fee:

    Non-judicial court fee stamp of Rs.10/- is affixed herein as fee.

 

 

Yours Faithfully,

 

 

 

 

(APPLICANT NAME)

RTI Template for obtaining assets of FIL if he is a Govt. Servant

THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION ACT 2005 APPLICATION FOR OBTAINING INFORMATION

Date:

To

The Public Information Officer,

OFFICE ADDRESS, XXXXX District

CITY - XXXXXX

 

1. Name of the Applicant: XXXXXXXX

 

2. Address with Phone Number:

Address line 1

Address line 2

City, State.

Phone Number: xxxxxxxxxxxx

 

3. Particulars of the Information Required:

I would like to receive the following information about XXXXXXX S/o YYYYY, who is serving as DESIGNATION, OFFICE ADDRESS with the relevant documents’ copy.

1.       XXXXXXXX’s current pay scale details with monthly take home salary after deductions.

2.       XXXXXXXX’s joining date to the service and promotion details if any.

3.       Any misconduct, departmental enquiry or remarks on XXXXXXXX, so far.

4.       Loans availed from the department so far, if any.

5.       Details of other loans availed from banks and other financial institutions.

6.       With reference to “THE TAMIL NADU GOVERNMENT SERVANTS' CONDUCT RULES, 1973” guidelines defined by government, following information and documents are required:

1.       Rule No: 3 – Details of the gifts and articles from relatives and friends received on his daughter ZZZZZZZZZ’s marriage held on DATE & PLACE, as declared by XXXXXXXX to the government.

2.       Rule No: 3A – Declaration given by XXXXXXXX that he has not given dowry for his daughter’s marriage and the signed declaration from the parties that the dowry was not involved in the marriage.

3.       Copies of following declaration forms, as Listed under SCHEDULE I for the period from 1990 to 2008.

a.       Form No. I (Statement of immovable property held by Government Servants)

b.      Form No. II (Statement of liquid assets held by Government Servants)

c.       Form No. III (Statement of movable property held by Government Servants)

d.      Form No. IV (Statement of Provident Fund and Life Insurance Policy held by Government Servants)

e.      Form No. V (Statement of debts and other liabilities of the Government Servants)

f.        Form No. VI (Form of report/application for permission of the Government for the building of or addition to a house)

g.       Form No. VI-A (Form of application for permission for acquisition of house)

h.      Form No. VII (Form of report to the Government after completion of the building of a house/addition to the house)

i.        SCHEDULE II (Register of immovable property and interests in immovable property held by Government servant)

4. Details of payment of application fee:

Non-judicial court fee stamp of Rs.10/- is affixed on the top herein above.

Yours Faithfully,

 

(APPLICANT NAME)

Different Modes to crack 498a case

Dear all,

After being in SIFF forum for last 2 years & based on my own experience, i have tried to enumerate the pros & cons of retaliating the 498a family to close the case, with various modes.

Request your opinion to alter or refine the points.

Regards,
RKV
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DIFFERENT MODES FOR CRACKING 498A CASE:
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1. FOLLOWING THE TRIAL & PROVING INNOCENCE.

Advantages:
1. Text book method by following judicial system & get the formal acquittal order.
2. During trial, we can file perjury U/s 340 & Defamation suit, which will destroy the 498a family completely.
3. Scope for financial compensation thru defamation suit.

Disadvantages:
1.Time consuming; have to be patient with great Indian Judiciary’s efficiency.
2.Will take anything between 1 – 5 Yrs.
3.Need to cope up half baked lawyers.
 
2. FILING COUNTER-CASES AGAINST 498a FAMILY.
Advantages:
1. By giving the same medicine to the opponents, 498a case may get over in short time.
Disadvantages:
1.Very delicate in nature. Needs to do lot of home work & legal analysis before retaliating with counter-cases.
2.Costly affair & time consuming.
3.Counter-cases may back fire, if not launched properly.
4.Some counter-cases may be of cooked nature, which will be a “misuse of law”.
 
3. COMPLAINING TO HIGHER AUTHORITIES:
Advantages:
1.Taking the case details to all levels of higher authorities such as Human rights, DGP, Collector, Commissioner, Home Secretary, Income tax Dept. etc, will solve the case in shorter time.
2.Cheaper mode & can close the case in shorter time duration.(1- 6 Months)
3.Can handle without much legal aid.

Disadvantages:
1.This mode will be applicable based on 498a family members’ profile.
2.Complaints have to be placed immediately after the threats.
3.Government machinery may not work with expected efficiency.
 
4. USING RTI APPLICATIONS AGINST 498A FAMILY:
Advantages:
1.Cheaper mode & consumes relatively lesser time to close the case.(2 – 6 Months)
2.We can screw the 498a family royally, with this “Legal Cruelty” tool.
3.May cause irretrievable damage to the opponents, apart from closure of 498a case.
4.Can handle without legal aid.
5.No limit & can fire numerous RTIs based on the opponents’ profile..

Disadvantages:
1.498a family members or witnesses needs to be government job.
2.Needs to cope up with time delay for RTI replies from govt. departments & information commission response for appeals.
3.Government machinery may not work with expected efficiency.
4.Very indirect method of attacking the opponents.
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File cases for giving dowry

In most of the 498A complaints lodged against husbands it is found that the girl's family says, " We gave X amount of dowry" added with the allegation that it was demanded. However, dowry giving is also an equal crime as per Section 3 of the Dowry Prohibition Act, 1961 as much as abetting it is. Even witnesses give their statements that they saw the dowry being given.

Please remember if there is a case against you and your family for demanding and taking dowry on the basis of the statements given by complainant wife and her well-wishers, then a similar case for giving and abetting also needs to be registered against the complainant wife and her well-wishers for being parties to giving dowry and abetting its exchange.

Some key points to be noted however,

1. Filing a case for "Giving Dowry" against complainant wife and her well-wishers does not mean tacit admission of "Taking Dowry" because there is a difference between giving and taking. For taking to happen, giving is a mandatory condition but the reverse is not true. For all practical purposes the dowry could be offered by dowry givers and the people offered can reject to take it. However, in this case the crime of Dowry Giving and Abetment of Dowry giving has happened and the people involved therein need to be prosecuted for this. 

2. For the 498A cases mentioned, there is prima facie evidence available in the form of "Voluntary Confessional Admission" by the complainant wife and her well-wishers that they gave dowry.

3. Although Section 7 of the Dowry Prohibition Act, 1961 does provide immunity to the complainant against prosecution but remember, that the immunity is available only in that instance of Dowry Prohibition Act, 1961 under which case of "Dowry demand and taking" is running. This means that we cannot arraign the accused in the same case under section 319 of the CrPC. However, nothing stops the husband from filing a new case based on their confessional admission. And in that case the husband (complainant herein) shall be provided the immunity.

Keeping in mind all these points, all the husbands who are facing false allegations of dowry demand and dowry taking against them have a moral bound duty to get the Section 3 of the Dowry Prohibition implemented in its entirety in letter and spirit.

So all dear husbands, rain on the system with complaints that you came to know that you have taken dowry only via the FIR on you and file cases for giving dowry to you as per their own admission. The society shall get back from husbands what it has given them.

Landmark judgement & precautions before file DP3

Posted by: "Sanjay Dhupar" 

Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:06 am (PDT)

Dear all ,
 
On Based upon lot of discussion with my all siffins's friend like Mr Virag , Ajay Reddy , Sukhant , Rajesh , Nitin Dixit and may more.....also some friends from judiciary , please let me note down some points for sucessfull filing DP3 to your sweet wife & cheering FIL , BIL ...so on 
 
1) Read carefully all "affidavit" which are filed against you in any cases.
2) Catch the line , in she write that "Dowary is given via her father,mother, brother so on....."
3) Dont think that above line is sufficent.
4) Keep in cool way & have patience up to cross examination in court.
5) It is the best way to do cross exam her by you not by lawyer to keep her under mental  
    tension.
6) When u cross exam her by smiling face , you should tackle on that way that she will accept all lines what she was saying about dowary given .
7) Now u are in 100 % winning position.
8) Just get the certified copies from court of crss examination
9) Now u file DP3 application to police along with certified statement of her in court and as well as "affidavit" in courts.
10) Poilice definetly do not act properly .
11) Wait for 30 days .
12) File your application to the court under 156(3) and attach supreme court citataion which i provide the link below 
http://www.sendspac e.com/file/ ompnh2

under this citaion , sc says that two FIR  can be launch on same case. If she suppose already file 498A  agianst you this citation help you.
 
So ab to haso aur keep smile & go ahead to win against this legel terrorism  
    
 
 
 
 

http://www.sendspac e.com/file/ ompnh2

Sanjay Dhupar
Ph-0751-4070523, 94253-08423

Attempt to frustrate RTI Applicant with bogus replies

More recently, bureaucrats and sarkari babus have found a very unique way to hide their inactions and inefficacies in maintaining organized crime information. An RTI activist from Delhi had filed an RTI application to know the following,
1. Report of cases related to 498A with following details for each police station wise for each district of national capital territory of Delhi from 01-01-2007 to 31-12-2007.

a. FIR no /Other IPC sections included along with 498a
b. Case filed date
c. Brief summary of case
d. Complainant’s name, age, qualification, occupation,
e. Every accused names, age, qualification, residential address, occupation and sex.
f. Arrested (how many days in remand) or Anticipatory bail (session / high court)
g. Current status of the case. If trial completed then names of people got convicted and what is the conviction.
h. If a case if found false in trail or FIR stage, what action was taken against complainant, people/police who filed/helped in filing that case?

2. Statistics of 498A cases with following details in following format in zone/district wise
a. No of 498A cases filed in each zone/district, year wise from year 2005 to till date
b. Total no of 498a cases when daughter in law is alive
c. Total no of 498a cases after death of daughter in law
d. Total No of accused when daughter in law is alive
e. Total No of accused after death of daughter in law
f. Total No of people got arrested
g. Total No of people who got anticipatory bail
h. Total No of accused who are women
i. No of cases found false at FIR stage
j. No of cases found false at Trail stage
k. No of cases got convicted when daughter in law is alive
l. No of cases got convicted after death of daughter in law
m. No of people got convicted (MALE/FEMALE)
n. How many cases are filed under dowry prohibition act 3 for giving dowry

The gist of the reply that the applicant got was something like; The Ministry of Home Affairs divided the task into all the DCPs of the Delhi Region and asked them to reply separately. Each of the DCPs either presented the information in a much distorted form requiring time consuming data analysis and data collation, while others clearly stated that such information is not maintained by them per se and need to personally inspect the records for which the compensation has to be paid by the applicant to the tune of Rs. 24, 332 and Rs. 25, 224 as demanded by 2 of the DCPs which means a total of Rs. 49, 556.
This is atrocious for the following reasons:-
1) Police department is a public department, meant for public service, being funded by the tax payer’s money and RTI Act lays down guidelines for access to public information and has held the government officers accountable for the same to provide info as it is a citizen’s fundamental right. And demanding money for a task which falls within the ambit of police duty from a citizen is sheer insult and lack of recognition of a citizen’s basic rights
2) In light of the information asked, it is very clear that only the records which ought to be maintained by police are being sought for and failure of the police on part of non maintenance of such records only reflects the inefficacies of the police and the police is demanding money to cover its own follies which is nothing less than atrocious.
3) It is a well known fact that IPC 498A (Dowry harassment law) is widely misused to the tune of 98 % and the police is not only well aware of the situation, but is also hand –in – gloves to promote the misuse owing to its own corruption and with these replies, attempting to abstain from giving information and frustrating the applicant, only justifies the role of a corrupt police force in advocating this misuse.

Counter cases during and after the case against one

And here comes the mother of all 'Cracks' for this bar of 195 Cr.PC , see below the links for the landmark judgement of Marwah Vs Marwah(Citation 2005 (4) SCC 370), I have used this in my counter cases(under sections 209, 211, 195, 197, 460, 463, and whatnot, even I lost count). Download this judgement here.

See a post explaining all this: http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2007/05/arrive-with-guns-blazing-counters-quash.html , actually sit and read the whole blog as I suggested initially :), it will serve u good, take my word on it. See my case details and the killer thoughts behind planning a counter-offensive(our military bretheren must be keen on knowing these counter-surveilance mode thoughts) at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/wPl1SANrqCIhMSTl0U7w520JpBhhfMhdPUY1lvs3qyneu0J04Xsc7h2Aox4lpxErTKuroEt2HHsw2lfDZTUAAw/Counter%20Charge%20498a.pdf (also attached, this is an ealrier version so it has some factual errors, like the explanation of Cr.PC 340, is wrongly refering to that of IPC 340, will correct it soon and re-upload/blog for posterity)

For Dowry Prohibition section, 3(giving dowry being punishable) please see the following links


Nyayayodha's blog

Following is the link for section for tortured husbands(needs you to register in this site and be logged in) :-

http://www.ghrs.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=21&id=35&Itemid=117

Following is the link to Sample DP3 application :

http://www.ghrs.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=154

******
Hi Gokul ji,

I was just reading CrPC-Section 195 and it says that

"No court shall take cognizance - Of any offence punishable under any of the following sections of the Indian Penal Code (45 of 1860), namely, sections 193 to 196 (both inclusive), 199, 200, 205 to 211 (both inclusive) and 228, when such offence is alleged to have been committed in, or in relation to, any proceeding in any court"

Thanks & Regards
Jaspreet Singh

On 7/10/08, Gokul P.R wrote:
I am mentioning below some IPC sections which can be generally used to file cases against the wife's side. The is RIPE NOW, GO FOR IT. When u r planning for counter offenses, read the posts in http://bok498a.blogspot.com/ which gives u pragmatic insights to dealing with court system, advocates and the Police, theory may not work, but insights coupled with consultations will.

S.191 :Giving false evidence+ S.340(1) of CrPC for Perjury @ Family/Magistrate Court
matter
S.209 : Dishonest claim
S.211 : False charge of offence made with intent to injure
S.306 : Abetment of Suicide
S.361 : For child - Kidnapping from lawful guardianship
S.378,380,381,382 :Theft
S.383 : Extortion
S.402 : Dacoity (Cognisable, Non-bailable and Non-compundable- just like 498a :)
S.406 : Criminal Breach of Trust
S.463 : Forgery
S.499: Defamation
S.506&507: Criminal Intimidation
Sections which u can check with ur advocate(I dont remember the IPC section offhand for these crimes) - Threatening, Abbetment of crime, these may be referring to a period before even your wife filed cases against you.

Some other sections of IPC helpful for husband side:
182 False information, with intent to cause public servant to use his lawful power to the injury of another person
191 Giving false evidence
192 Fabricating false evidence
195A Threatening any person to
give false evidence
196 Using evidence known to be false
197 Issuing or signing false certificate
198 Using as true a certificate known to be false
199 False statement made in declaration which is by law
receivable as evidence
200 Using as true such declaration knowing it to be false
201 Causing disappearance of evidence of offence, or
giving false information to screen offender
202 Intentional omission to give information of offence by person bound to inform
203 Giving false information respecting an offence commited
204 destruction of document to prevent its production as evidence
205 False personation for purpose of act or proceeding in suit or prosecution there are
more


Regards
Gokul

Buddy Aa wrote: Hello All,

i am working in Indian Army and my brother has been harassed by 498a .

After getting b-report/final report in the charge sheet can put
counter cases like miss use of 498a ...?

1. Is this right time (after B-Report) to put counter cases of miss
use of 498a? or its too late now ?

2. Defamation case ?

3.182 IPC ?

Please list all the counter cases for 498a and relevent cases .

Also I would like to know all these counter cases are civil/criminal ?
Please give me some more details how register all these cases and
what needs to prepared ,i don't want to put any false cases and then put myself in trouble......if any one has done this please share
experiences. .....etc

I don't want to teach a lesson to 498a wife, I would like to seek for
justice and fair for my brother who have been legally terrorised by 498a
and 498a wife.....Etc

Please send me the quite capable with very good reputation advocate in Hyderabad.

Please help

regards,
Buddy

Post-498a- Getting a fair investigation done!

To get police to do a fair investigation is a very crucial step to have a chance of getting a B-report(clean chit) from the police(like in Prashant's case: http://ipc498a.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/investigative-excellence-the-closing-of-the-498a-case-against-actor-prashant ).

Do not think its rare so unworthy trying for, only if more and more people pursue and attain this, will the system as a whole get cleansed. So try it with all your might, if not a B-report the chargesheet will be full of investigative points favourable to you, which is good enough to get clean in court and then book the law miusers in court.

But approaching HC for getting fair investigation alone could be avoided if people are aware of some effective alternatives which were discussed in this forum some time back. The discussions earlier were about submitting evidences and investigation points(possible witnesses, facts, etc., which if investigated will be in favour of the accused) from the accused side.

The accused have to submit these evidences, etc. to the investigation officer(Copy to higher police officials, to keep up the pressure and to ensure a supervised process) and get an ackowledgement copy of these submissions.

The judgement mentioned in the post below(of Madhya Pradesh High Court about evidences provided by accused has to be incorporated in the chargesheet/final report the police submits to the court)also should be cited along with the evidences submitted by the accused for additonal pressure on the police to comply and do a fair investigation.

If and when the chargesheet is submitted to the court without incorporating the findings of such investigations(As pointed out by the submissions of accused), the accused should point out this descrepancy to the court/higher police officials and the court/higher police officials in turn can order the police to further investigate in the line of the submitted facts/investigation points by accused.

This procedure is desirable than a long drawn 482 proceeding(for just getting a fair investigation done) , which should be attempted only as a last refuge(after doing the above said procedures).

This should be our next action point since pre-498a scenario is now controllable with the delhi/hyderabad police circulars and the latest chennai HC guidelines(http://at498a.blogspot.com/2008/04/arrest-guidelines-in-case-of.html)

Now we have to find that judgement, so that it can be attached to the submissions which an accused can give the police station, higher-ups, courts etc.

Lets make this system water tight from all sides possible.

The next step is to get the courts to conduct cases in a timely and effective manner, some study of the court system(processes involved : cradle to grave of a any case) is needed. After which we can volunteer as NGOs for implementing the findings of the study( to make the system and its processes optimum and effective). We had thought of video conferencing and confirmation of date by mobile/sms etc as some avenues of making the system effective- this is the need of the hour, since the pain after bail is of the futility and drudgery of courts!.

We need to do a System overhaul... if not we, who else?!, if not for our children... .


--- In saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, its your guy wrote:

Section 482 can be used for purposes more than just quashing. 482 section is a
vast section which gives immense powers to the HC and many things can be done
through this section apart from quashing.

In a Petition u/s 482 for Fair Investigation and quashing filled by accused
husband the Madhya Pradesh High Court has ordered the Police to consider all the
doccuments provided by the accussed to the Police in his defense and to make all
these doccuments a part of the challan/charge sheet even though the
challan/charge sheet was already filled by the police without these doccuments.
The doccuments provided by the husband were Photographs of happy married life,
his earlier police complaints regarding threats of false cases, telephone
conversations of his wife, and many other bills and doccuments which proved his
innocence and also disproved the allegations by the wife..

This is a landmark case and all 498A guys should approach the Police and then
the high court demanding FAIR INVESTIGATION u/s 482. Demand for justice/ fair
investigation should be put up before the Police before they File the charge
sheet.

Regards

First striker's advantage- A live saving option

If we leave our inhibitions and only go by survivalinstincts- we will strike first(when we are under threat of a false case by the wife's side), but alas we are prisoners of our ownshackles(inhibitions, emotions, etc.).

Its not easy to strike first- my family did not strike first since wealso thought "How can a girl's family ruin the girl's marriage byfiling false cases on husband&family". That too when the girls own relative(who knew their mentality too well, and could see the falsecases coming) actually hinted us to strike first, but at that point we never thought it was actually a life saving hint.But after experiencing these things for the last 5 years personallyand through others cases, I really believe that striking first is one of the most fruitful actions, if the situation and capability of the victim warrants it.

I have seen this strategy winning hands down in 2cases which I know closely.Now what else do we want other than the clarity of mind!. When one issure that its a war looming over, one has to break the shackles ofemotions and fight single-mindedly- for the WIN. Of course there areother ways of peace, try them if they apply to your situation.

I just felt that its time for this strategy to become open(let all pre-498a try it), what better way to introduce it in yahoo group. But the tragedy is that even then very less number of people will trythis sure-shot strategy(because of fear, forgiveness, wait&watchpropensity, etc.). At the same time shrewd guys from the oppositecamp will take note. Its always a trade-off isn't it, like life.

I am of the belief that we should flood the courts with firststrikes, this should not remain a phone line secret anymore. This kind of extremism is now warranted since normal defence is not working(will yield only years of painful defence). Last but not the least:this is not a secret for legally aware persons, for them its thefirst option :) . So let there be fire-works, we need all pre-498aguys to think on this lines, fire at will.All helplines to take note too. If in pre-498a, let them strike first.

So I would recommend a counter offensive stretegy, if a first strike is suitable in case of any pre-498a case(using IPC 503, 389, , 341, etc as the case may be. Refer Indian Penal Code sections at : http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/IndianPenalCode/indianpenalcode.htm )

regards
Gokul

--- In saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, Virag wrote:>>
Agreed, Offense is the best form of defense, but there is a majorrisk> involved here. The question that comes here is, "If I initiatelegal action,> they will definitely file 498A" and normally everyone wants toavoid legal> hassles as far as possible until it hits them.>> And this mindset only has allowed the misuse to grow.>> But what people fail to realize is that a 498a type girl willanyways file a> 498a and in that case, the first legal action by the husband willdefinitely> help.
--- In saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, Gokul wrote:>> Hi HubbyinTrouble, As we discussed in our telecon, take the first striker's advantage if you are upto it(I have not seen people who are willing to take this risk, but I see that in you, so my advise is nothing else but GO FOR THE KILL). This is not a impetuous advise as some may think, this is the method which I have seen working in 2 of the cases, where the girls side had to run with their pants down Of course one should do an analysis of the competition, if they are advocates and love fighting cases, and thrives on them, then u may have to rethink - but an average greedy girl's family will be crushed with the kind of evidences Hubby in Trouble has with the use of IPC 503(Criminal Intimidation) and 389(Extortion threat) + whatever IPC sections applicable in one's case(hubby in trouble has a chance to use manhandling too, from what he told me). This coupled with some more finer points which we can discuss over phone will brighten your chances of sending the opposote party packing. Discuss this with Suresh too for his inputs. So if one has the situation like this and can take the risk of being the first to reach the court, the chances for him is better(conditions as above). This is a classic case of "Offence in the best Defense" . This should be the new option which has to be emphasised when counselling pre-498a members - GO FOR THE KILL(if the person is willing, and situation permitting) Warm Regards,
Gokul, http://gokul.go.to, 9821414336(Mumbai)Editor - www.siftimes.com , Director- www.pifngo.infoProtect Indian Family: "For Family Harmony.. Against Legal Terrorism" Re: My Wife Called Me Yesterday and Threatened Me & My Mother!!! Posted by: "r_agr1" r_agr1@yahoo.com r_agr1 Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:33 am (PDT) Once she files a 498a case. Take a anticapatory bail and then file a private complain under IPC 503, 389.For criminal intimidation.Don't do it right now . Keep your mouth shut. other wise she will be too severe on her complain accuse of physical assault. Keep on gather evidences.RegardsRahul
--- In saveindianfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "bharati8000" wrote:>>
we had raised this issue times and again to helpage that dowry laws > are being used as an abusive tool and they should raise their voice > aainst it as even per WHO elder abuse is happening due to the 498a > laws > > Helpage are the one who run elders helpline in police station and > She can contact the helpline in the police station run by her own > organisation.> My mohter had absolutely no help from them . See if you mother can > get better help from helpage. > >

--- In saveindianfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "hubby_in_trouble" > wrote:> >> >
I had taken advise of all my SIFF brothers and sent an RTI to theGovernment Housing Board asking for all details of the propertywhich has been built through my funds from my NRI account by mywife. My wife on several occasions had declined to show me anypapers regarding this house and loan ammount she was paying statingthat she has all rights over my monies and as a wife she need nothave to me accounts of the same. Therefore I sent RTI to the housingboard last week asking for details.

Yesterday she called me and threatened me on my phone of direconsequences and also threatened that she will put my mother and mein jail. She used all sort of foul language and she talked for morethan 8 mits. I was very calm during this entire episode and kept mycool. The whole conversation is on tape now.

Now how to safe guard my mother who is a paralysis patient on theroad to recovery, who is 72 years of age, who is well placed insociety as a Senior Citizen, who is a active social worker andhonaarary secretary to a Orphanange, who is a Adhikari at DignityFoundation for Senior Citizen, who is also a Secretatry for Old AgeHome. CAN I APPLY FOR A AB WITH THIS RECORD????? PLEASE HELP ME BYANSWERING THIS.AFTER SAFEGUARDING MY MOTHER, PLEASE SEND SUGGESTIONS AS TO HOW TOPROCEEDE FURTHER. I WANT TO STRIKE HER BEFORE SHE HITS ME AND I WANTTO DO THIS WHEN THE IRON IS HOT.

FOR ONCE LET THE HUSBAND START THE SHOW ON A FALSE WIFE!!!! PLEASEADVISE!!!!

Can I put a counter charge using 156 Sec 3 of CrPc??? Can I file anFIR on Criminal Intimidation under the IPC????? At least this way Ican make her run from Pillar to Post before she can even think ofwhat hit her.Please advise.If she files on a later stage can I counter it under section 482,her FIR saying that it is a counter blast to my RTI which has puther in a tight position????? Please advise as to what steps should Itake now to do this?????? A 498a member on the forum enlightented meon this issue. I would appreciate if other members can send thierviews urgently to my email ID hubby_in_trouble

Using Adultery law for winning 498a case

Adultery case against your wife's paramour will work, but there are some loopholes in the Adultery law in this regards(which was used by Sanjay Dutt recently, when his partner Manyata's husband alleged crime of Adultery against Sanjay dutt, claiming that manyata is still married to him- the first husband).

See the written law below(see a related post here http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2006/08/impossible-is-nothing-dont-let-your.html).

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Section 497. Adultery: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/IndianPenalCode/S497.htm

Whoever has sexual intercourse with a person who is and whom he knows or has reason to believe to be the wife of another man, without the consent or connivance of that man, such sexual intercourse not amounting to the offence of rap, is guilty of the offence of adultery, and shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to five years, or with fine, or with both. In such case the wife shall be punishable as an abettor.

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So if the paramour claims that he did not know that she is married he could escape from the purview of the law(like Sanjay Dutt did).

So in this context you need to properly frame the paramour and get him commit somewhere that he knows she is married to you, and then go to court with this evidence with you.

As such this allegation of adultery has been found successful in cases were the paramour has some degree of influence on the girl/girls family. When the paramour is cornered he will naturally influence the girl/family to ease you out of the 498a, so that you in turn return the favour and helps him out of the mess.

Witnesses and photos are enough to get your adultery case admitted in the case and that whats sufficient(who cares about winning a case after 10 years of litigation!). More , if needed, on phone

Warm Regards, Gokul, http://gokul.go.to/,

9821414336(Mumbai)

Editor - http://www.siftimes.com/ , Director- http://www.pifngo.info/

Protect Indian Family: "For Family Harmony.. Against Legal Terrorism"

--- In saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, "ksdvali" wrote:>>

Hi,> > location is kadapa, AP. If any local activists from here plz > send mail. what kind of charges we can place on her BF. Is it a civil > or criminal crime. My intention is not sue wife for adultery/divorce. > But to sue the BF for indulging in adultery supported by wife and her > relatives. > >

rgds,> KSD> > >

--- In saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, Rahul Verma > wrote:> >> > yes, of course u can file adultery case on her BF.> > in fact u can file adultery only on the guy bec adultery is the > birth right of indian woman. it is not a crime for an indian married > woman to sleep around, but her boyfriend can be in serious trouble > > you can get a divorce on grounds of adultery but u cant sue ur wife > for adultery, though if u sue the bf she comes under pressure too, > and the idea is to build an attack from multiple sides.> > abt the lawyer, which city are u in? have u met the local sif > activists> > > > > >

----- Original Message ----> > From: ksdvali > > To: saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:07:50 PM> >

Subject: [SaveIndianFamily] Price of adultery> > > > > >

Hi to all memebers,> > > >

Can we file adultery case on the wifes BOYFRIEND directly when > > have some evidences (some photoes & witnesses). The wife has filed > 498a > > Case recently when asked to change her behaviour. > > > > If yes, May i know the name of law name & number. if possible send > some > > sample documents.> > > > Urgent reply required.> > > > THanks in advance.> > > > regards,> > KSD

Legal Position of Bigamy-Adultery Vs 498a Situation: Further explained

Hi Abhi,

If u have taken enough precautions while getting into the 2nd innings, this may help you to get divorce and closure of 498a. Since the 1st will see the vanity in pursuing the cases(if u haven't left any ammunition for her to take up against bigamy- basically leaving proof of 2nd marriage for the 1st to use against you). The 1st could still try poking you with cases of adultery and bigamy but those don't have legal validity(as explained in http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2006/08/impossible-is-nothing-dont-let-your.html )

I would have been in your place but the 1st wife quickly realised that its waste of time not giving me divorce since I had made my 2nd inning plan public, and I got a mutual consented divorce the very next hearing(the divorce case had been dragging for 2+ years till then). The only differences between urs and mine might be that you are in US Iam here, plus the counter cases against them had put them in a tigh spot(they were trying to please me by facilitating a quick 'free' divorce, hoping that I compromised on the counter cases later- which I didnt).

I won't say that this strategy is fool-proof, it could well back fire if the girls family decides to rake up issues by...(let me not give spies in this group some direct ideas). You can see that this strategy is not a one-off thing, when you look at Telugu star Pawan Kalyan's unofficial second marriage, the 1st wife has been unable to hurt him using bigamy, etc.

The moral is that informed risks have a better probability to payback, but the risk takers should be ready to get their hands dirty if they are dragged into another round of court cases. In ur case u r in US, as u correctly gauged "There should be a reason for a Man to come back from US...don't you guyz think so--- "

"Sometimes" 2nd marriages can be more 'strategic' than 'needed/desired' :), even if one is in India. All the best, don't worry life is anyway a battle field, a couple of battles this way or that way shouldn't bother anyone - just do Karma, without seeking the fruits.

regards
Gokul

Re: I got married for the second time........
Posted by: "sureshram" Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:30 pm (PDT)
All the Best.You know there were some of our other members who use go to family court along with the new Women. If fact some got her introduced to the 498a girl.It is the best stratagy to combat 498a girls.I think you have guts and your parents are practical

Wish all the best. Great man

--- In saveindianfamily@ yahoogroups. com, Abhi wrote:

Today..........With my 498A still in the Court.......And with out a Divorce!!Would see if my First Wife(Wolf) can do anything about it!!There should be a reason for a Man to come back from US...don't you guyz thinkso

---Now--my Lawyer is saying that even my 498A will come to an end after the Witch knows about this---the same guy was trying to stop me from getting into thismarriage a week earlier.....I am so sure that even the Witch will come to understand that she has lost forever and ever after this!!
Guyz--Please wish me good luck with my new Wife and Life!!God Bless!!

Evidence–A Life Saver:Digital Voice-Recorders

Tech – Talk

Technical Section

Let me ask you a question : When a case is filed (or expected to be filed) against you and "Unless Proved Innocent You Are Guilt" theory works, how can you prove yourself innocent ?

You need Evidences. There are two types of evidences (1) Concrete Evidence (which can independently decide the case) e.g. a clear video recording and (2) Supporting Evidence (which independently cannot decide the case but when joined with circumstances and other evidences/events, it is usefull to decide the case).

Next is, to get these life saver evidences we need technology. I mean to say electronics and Information Technology. If used correctly, can prove yourself innocent and also can get vital information (from the other party).

Digital Voice Recorders : What someone spoke cannot be judged from the pictures but voice recorders can do it for you. Voice recorders are of two types Analog and Digital. Analog recorders (with cassettes and magnetic tapes) are not a good choice now a days. Digital recorder are perfect as of today. They are very small sized, full of features, well capable and compact. One can easily get a reasonably featured digital recorder for around 3500/- or so. I have a digital voice recorder which can record upto 34 (Thirty Four) hours of conversation. It works in person to person, telephonic, hidden recorder mode, remote mic mode and much more. It can transfer the data to computer and to a CD in turn. It works superb as a Telephone Recorder. You connect it to the phone line (hide it) and it works for around 18 hours at a stretch (battery life). No beep is issued to the other party. It can used almost everywhere Home, Phone, In Car, In Office, In Meetings and absolutely every place which you could think of.

An important feature of the Digital Recorders is “Voice Activated Mode” means if this mode is activated, the digital recorder will Keep Recording as long as voice is there and If no voice for a few seconds then the recorder goes to standby mode and when the next sound comes in It again starts recording it. The advantage is we get removed the “silence” portion of recordings (saves memory and we get long battery backup). Voice recorded files from digital recorders can be transferred to computer and CD and the same CDs could be produced in court as evidences.
Files recorded by Digital recorders can be played on the house hold CD players.

Tip : Use rechargeable batteries in Digital Recorders. Mine uses AAA size eveready 2 cells rechargeable and single pair of batteries can drive the device for around 16 hours.

CENIX, Olympus, Samsung, LG, Sansui and almost all electronics manufacturers manufacture Digital Voice Recorders

Some of the useful links are

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_voicerecorders.asp

http://electronics.listings.ebay.in/Electronic-Gadgets_Voice-Recorders_W0QQsacatZ14960QQsocmdZListingItemList

http://www.tcc-qatar.com/DVR.htm

http://search.ebay.in/digital-voice-recorder_Voice-Recorders_W0QQsacatZ14960

http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&q=Cenix+%22Digital+Voice+Recorder%22&meta=


Own Mobile Call Recordings : You can ask you mobile dealer to workshop guy to install a call recording software in your handset so that it keep recordings of the calls. You can put the whole thing on a computer and on a CD in turn. Most of these softwares issue a beep sound to the other party so that the caller comes to know that your call is being recorded.


by Sachit Dalal- SIF Activist

"IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING" Don't let your life stall on anything

What swarup says is right brother shetty, u can have children (like rabbits if u will) , stay together, name them after you and the law will have to just allow u to do so(the lady u decide to live with, just have to stress with anyone that u guys didn't at all have a marriage, and all those rabbits are love-children and that she wished that they carried their biological father's name and surname- who on earth is gonna deny this right of a lover!?).

You just need conviction in your decision, as theres no legal problems.. see this post: http://bok498a.blogspot.com/2008/04/legal-position-of-bigamy-adultery-vs.html (also see two reports about a similar situation of actor Pawan Kalyan).

Bigamy(IPC 494: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/IndianPenalCode/S494.htm) is only if someone can prove that u r married(example: if you are a hindu; as per Hindu Marriage Act)- so don't marry... so no proof of marriage possible....simple, keep/take no photos of any ceremony distantly similar to marriage, or create any marriage record. Just live with ur friend for life, theres a word "companion" gaining respectability in even Indian cities, anyway if u don't care a damn about society, all this is no bodies business. But be wary of IPC 493, which says that if u induce a belief of marriage in a lady, when u are only cohabiting, thats chargeable with IPC 493(http://www.indialawinfo.com/bareacts/ipc.html#_Toc496765386 ,10 years max boss, so be very sure about ur companion!, else its back to battle again, but thats no big deal for u all now, right?;)

As far as Adultery(IPC497: http://www.vakilno1.com/bareacts/IndianPenalCode/S497.htm ) goes: Only a husband can sue a suitor of his wife, if this suitor knows that this lady is married and has no expressed consent of the husband to get close to his wife!- so its funny, its saying wife can't get a husband punsished for adultery(only husband can frame his wife's suitor. not even his wife!), plus this law actually points towards threesomes!!!. So give a F&$K to the law and in-laws and get ahead if it suits you.

Basically it all boils down to your conviction and how afraid u are of society- which never helped or shielded you from harms way when you really needed that(in case u r not convinced that much about ur decision to go ahead and live with ur companion). So y give a damn about the so-called society, show them ur middle finger and walk tall and straight ahead where u wanna go.
Why I explained this in detail is that after 2-3 years most of the elders in the family are worried silly about getting boys(or girls for that matter, but we don't have to empathise with those law misusers, right?) married(to see their grand children play before the end of their days, as the popular concept in India goes). So its important to pacify those worried parents and senior citizens and show courage by taking you life into ur hands, and either decide 1) not to marry(just ensure that u are sufficiently amused and live an interesting life however it suits you- but yes, take care and use protection), 2) not rush to marry, or 3) if u find someone and are fairly confident that shes not the garden-variety-498a-girl(u can't be 1000% sure anyway, but these are the risks u have to assess and own-up) just start ur life dont wait for god to really appear before you- just understand that he has provided with just enough loop holes for u to survive and have a fulfilling life.

So the message is that live the life you want to, don't ever be limited by any restrictions either imagined/imposed by self or projected on to you by others- believe in the infinititude of human mind.... where theres a will, theres a way... period. Come on legal hassles are not Greek and Latin to u guys now, u can in fact be consultants in 498a issues, so do what u wanna do, "IMPOSSIBLE IS NOTHING"(quoting a sports company's catch phrase).

BTW, if someone wants the exact ways and means to proceed as above, I have a "template"(like the advocates have the false 498a complaint template) which can be shared in Private(but guys someone tell me how to create a password protected folder or page in the web, else I will be most probably spending all my time replying to your queries in this regard, so please tell how to password protect a webpage or folder- A word file should work, but any more intelligent solutions, so that it won't be misused much(not worried about this much, since I have stopped fretting about being morally correct and stuff like that) and that I don't get into another soup!... not that I mind it , but for now, I would like to devote 100% of my time to send the misusers packing to where they deserve to be).

I know this realisation would be a great relief and reason for reformation to many. Swarup is one walking talking example of such a guy, and he is not alone , that population is increasing(thanks to the law, we are being made stronger and invincible). I will leave you with a thought provoking and pragmatic quote "The supreme act of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting!" . So live anyway, but fight only if warranted.

Also read this post:

Legal Position of Bigamy-Adultery Vs 498a Situation: Further explained